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We are recording. So welcome back to another special edition of Things Above Us Roundtable, where we fulfill our commitment to talk about not only missions, theology, and evangelism, but also sports. And I want to welcome back Tim Bates. I want to welcome back Alan Nelson. I want to welcome back Jason Mariana. Hi there, Mike.

Hi, Jason. Welcome to all the guys here. I want to go through and talk about the championship games from the conference championships. So, Tim Bates, let's start with you. What was your impression of the AFC and NFC conference championship games last week? Well, you didn't want to talk about the Pro Bowl?

Did they do that again? I guess they did, yeah. That's great. That's great. Actually, we'll talk about the Pro Bowl later because I want to ask you guys what you think of some of the proposed rule changes that they were talking about. Well, I'll start with the AFC.

The Titans looked good. That game, well, I shouldn't say that, but it kind of went how I thought it might go, where Tennessee just couldn't keep up with Kansas City scoring, which proved to be true. the Chiefs are just too much in the air for Tennessee. But I did think that Derrick Henry was going to kind of get quite a bit of rushing yardage, but he ended up with the number here, 19 carries, 69 yards.

So that was, I did not see that coming. And then Tannehill had 200 yards passing. And then Mahomes did his thing 300 yards passing three touchdowns and he looked good doing it their rush offense looks pretty doable that run he had was just a thing of beauty when I was watching that live just you're watching it and she's like wow like there's not many guys that you can think of making that play in that moment or even just for him to make that play in that moment kind of put him on that next level where you're looking at somebody as a potential superstar.

I mean, he clearly has that skill set, but that he made that play in that moment. That was just, I think one of those ones that another play that in another moment he's been in where you look back and think that was pretty cool that I saw that happen live. I'm talking about the scramble. He had 30 something yards for the touchdown and their defense played pretty well.

Their past events have been good, but just that their rush defense did that well bodes well for them in the Super Bowl against San Fran. And then that San Fran-Green Bay game I thought was going to be low scoring. I thought we were going to see a bunch of field goals, maybe 20-17 or 21-14 or something like that. But San Fran obviously didn't have that happen.

It was really just almost a mirror image of the or I should say a carbon copy of the first game but they just didn't let Aaron Rodgers throw the ball they didn't let it move and in the second half he Rodgers that it's accumulated some some numbers but it was way too late at that point it was already 27 to nothing so that was an an impressive victory for San Fran. They're better than I thought they were, which should make for a pretty good Super Bowl game. Pastor Allen Nelson, what was your impression of those championship games?

Oh, I think that the Chiefs have proved that they belong, And Andy Reid has, you know, shown me I have poor discernment. So he's continued to come through. And I think the Titans played well, but they just didn't have the firepower. I thought Derrick Henry might could keep him, but they really basically shut him down. Rogers is – I've got a bias here, but I'm going to say – I'm going to say he's a, he's a tad bit overrated.

And here's why I say this because he's always so touted as just being so awesome. And I think that he's a good quarterback. I don't think he's a great leader. If that makes sense. Like, like I want, I want to, I want to play for Patrick Mahomes. You know what I'm saying?

I don't want to, I don't want to play for Aaron Rogers. You know, I feel like I feel like Mahomes is you know, just, just a better leader. So I think that the Packers got exposed a year ago that the Packers were basically overrated. They got some easy games and they even got the Seahawks at a good time and they got exposed. So I don't have much to add other than what Tim said.

So I was surprised at how bad the Niners ended up beating the Packers and how bad the Chiefs ended up running away with it. Aaron Rodgers' motto, throw touchdowns always, win championships when necessary, really failed him this weekend. And so if anybody knows the recent news about Rodgers and his more obvious apostasy than previously, you'd get that previous reference.

Jason Mariana, I realize at this time of the year, late on a day, you're so filled with Iron City beer, you might not even be able to watch football. But did you get to watch the championship games at all? First of all I offended at the very notion that I would drink Iron City Anyway Do they sell other brands of beer in Pittsburgh At special stores yes Are you allowed in those You have to have a membership.

That's excellent. You guys are growing. That's a growing town. It is, yeah. We're going to get the internet here next week, so we're very excited about that. My impression of the championship games is basically that the two best teams in the league took care of business.

I mean, it really, I was, it was kind of a downer and I thought the, the division round was pretty exciting and a lot of fun. And then the championship games were fine. There weren't bad games or anything, but they were not exciting. It just was not, you know, it was like, we were watching two teams who I was pretty sure were going to win, win in the way that I was pretty sure they were going to win.

You know what I mean? Yeah. The, the chiefs let it get away a little early there, but they ended up just being irrepressible and coming back and, you know, winning the game in the fashion that you sort of expect a very good team to win. And the Niners are the Niners. They're, you know, they're good. They actually may be the best team in the league.

I'm not sure yet, but you know, we have a game coming up on Sunday. That'll probably tell us that, but they are, they're surprisingly very, very good. So, yeah, it was kind of a take-care-of-business weekend. It feels like the two best teams are in the Super Bowl, and I'm happy about that. Let's find out what Justin thought about last week's games. Justin, what did you think about those championship games?

Overall, I think the Chiefs and Titans, the game happened exactly what we all kind of thought the game was going to be like. I think the Titans played really, really tough, but the Chiefs are just too good. Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback that we have ever seen. He will go down as the best. He doesn't have any flaws in his game. I was thinking really hard, does this kid have any flaws in his game?

He doesn't have a single one of them. So I don't care what Tim Bates says. I know Tim Bates hates Patrick Mahomes. I know Tim Bates, I know he said that Baker Mayfield is better than Patrick Mahomes and that he would take Baker Mayfield over Patrick 100 times out of 100. I think he was referring to lawn jarts. He was referring to, oh, in the lawn darts?

Yeah, not in football. No way. In, like, commercial time and hats worn and things like that. Yeah, that's probably what he was referring to. Yeah, Tim knows very little about football, but he's not that bad, is he? It's embarrassing how little Tim knows about NFL football So Yeah I was not surprised by that game Refresh my memory, what was the other one?

It was the Green Bay Packers at the 49ers No, let's not even talk about that That is classic Packers football right there Classic Packers football Create all this hype win 13 games or however many games they won, the most overrated football team in the NFL, they shouldn't have been there in the first place. Aaron Rodgers, I mean, Cam Newton would have gone after that ball, the one that was fumbled. That was a shame.

That was an embarrassment of – that was the greatest embarrassment in all of NFL history. I thought everyone said that Aaron Rodgers was the greatest quarterback to ever play, and then he proved himself to just be an absolute shame, an absolute black mark on the game of football. So the Packers did exactly what we all thought that they were going to do.

They did exactly what we all knew they were going to do. They absolutely wet their pants on national television like they always do. Aaron Rodgers will never win another Super Bowl. And the Super Bowl that he won was just pure providence of God just because it happened. It was probably because the Lord was chasing us Bear fans. That's what it was.

So let's not even – I don't even need to talk about that game. The 49ers were the 49ers. The Packers were the Packers. So tell me this. Is Aaron Rodgers a worse quarterback or Christian? he is yes the answer is yes that is awesome let's just say rob bell probably wants to not only be a spiritual advisor but his quarterback as well how about you nick what did you think of those championship games all right so i was actually very right about the championship games and that was not something that has happened very often in this playoffs, but I thought that the Titans-Chiefs game was going to be a good game, but that the Chiefs would be able to score enough points that Derrick Henry wouldn't be able to just destroy the Chiefs.

I thought that even if the Titans got a lead and were trying to run with Derrick Henry, the Chiefs offense can score in two minutes. So I thought that they would be able to just make the Titans have to throw the ball. That's what happened. And, I mean, Ryan Tannehill didn't have a bad game. He's not like one of the best quarterbacks in the league. So the Chiefs did good.

I thought that the Packers-49ers game would be exactly like the first game, and I don't care that the Packers put up 20 points in the second half when the 49ers stopped trying. Like, it was 30 to nothing at the end of the first half, and they literally threw the ball eight times in the whole game. If the team that you're playing in an NFC championship game or AFC championship game only has to throw the ball eight times and they can just run it on you the whole rest of the game, that is just an embarrassment.

Yeah, that's exactly how the first five or ten championship games were, but they didn't throw that much then. There was a guy on this podcast who correctly predicted that the Packers wouldn't score a touchdown until the second half. Does anybody remember who that was It was probably Mariani No he hasn been right about that was I want to say it a person who is very wrong about the team that they thought was going to be good this season That was me, once again, the prognosticator.

Wow. So you guys need to bone up on your cessationist doctrine, because if you listen to me enough, you're going to start thinking that I'm getting words from God with these predictions. Let me make a bold prediction. Okay, bold prediction time. Patrick Mahomes is the next Tom Brady type player. Not in the way that Tom Brady is a system QB and that – What's that, Justin?

That is not a bold prediction. But he will be better. Like I can see Patrick Mahomes going to the Super Bowl like six out of the next ten years just because he's that good. Like the Chiefs have a good team around him, but I think if you put Patrick Mahomes on any team in the NFL, they can make the playoffs next year. Yeah, Justin, what did you say earlier?

He has no weaknesses or? No flaws. No flaws. I was thinking, yeah, his only flaw is he's not afraid of anything. His only flaw is that he's not flawed. Yeah, yeah.

This guy is, he's the total package, and I think we all agree. And it's pretty exciting to watch. Like, as a Colts fan, we have $100 million in cap space next year. If we went out and gave Patrick Mahomes a $60 million a year contract, I would not be upset. Because I think he's that good that if he was on our team, we would win the Super Bowl next year.

You're probably right. You're probably right. I want you to imagine a world in which you have an opportunity to either take Patrick Mahomes or what's his face from Texas, and instead you take Mitchell Trubisky, our third pick. Just imagine a reality. That's the world I'm living in right now It hurts No wonder you're pre-mill The Browns and the Bears They both passed up with Deshaun Watson And Patrick Mahomes And just like The Browns traded away their pick Which they could have picked either one then The Bears picked Mitchell Trubisky Ahead of Mahomes or Deshaun Watson Like it is just It is just sad But Patrick Mahomes, I think he'll be the first quarterback to get over 40 – first NFL player to get over like $40 or $50 million a year.

He's going to get a massive extension this summer. So let's look towards next week now. Tim, who's going to win the Super Bowl? I've been picking the Chiefs from the beginning, so I have to stick with that pick. If I remember correctly, you picked the Browns back in September, and you were still pulling for them in October. so this whole pick the Chiefs from the beginning thing, people can fact check.

But do you mean like since the beginning of the playoffs? Oh, from the beginning of the playoffs, yeah. Oh, okay, yeah. Well, yeah, sure. Yeah, that'll be well documented. Yeah, you're a genius.

Yeah. Football genius, too. Yeah, just don't look at my predictions before the season started. Okay, so we've got the Chiefs minus one and a half. Are they going to win by one and a half? That's not possible.

Michael? More than one and a half. Okay. I don't know. I can't predict it. What's the score going to be?

I think they'll win 34 to 28. 34 to 28? No. No. I don't think I'm not sold on San Francisco's offense. Rapolo just pulled a Ryan Tannehill and completed three passes for 20 yards.

Got a victory. I think in some respects San Fran's is a better version of Tennessee. Excellent running game. Serviceable quarterback. Their defense is obviously a lot better. but I think, I don't know, Kansas City I think can do it. I think Andy Reid can overpower them against Kyle Shanahan, who's still frazzled from giving up that 28-3 lead to New England in the Super Bowl a few years ago.

That's going to be 31-20, the Chiefs. Okay, so bet the under in the Chiefs according to Tim. Allen, what's the score going to be? Who's going to win this game and why? Yeah, I like – man, as a Cowboys fan, I want the Chiefs to win. I'm just leaning towards – I think he's done a good job of this team.

As soon as you mentioned the Cowboys, demons start like kind of messing with the audio. So if you could just avoid that and just repeat what you just said, that would be great. My thing says internet connection unstable, which I don't know why. The hamster – Can you turn off your video? It's because you're from Arkansas. Hold on.

Let me see if the... Do it now without video. Yeah, okay. Let me see if the hamsters... Let me feed the hamster. Okay.

Good go. All right. He's turning the wheel. We should be... How are we? Don't give him Iron City beer.

It'll make him sick. I live in a dry county. You know what that is? No, we don't know what that is up north. It's a county that doesn't get rain, right? Well, actually...

It's literally raining as we speak. So. Yeah, I used to live in Zion, Illinois, which was a dry town. And it was like this island of no beer in the middle of, you know, well, Wisconsin to the north and all of Chicagoland to the south. It was incredible. Guys, people listen to this podcast.

They hear football expertise. So let's. I thought you were just going to cut all this anyway. Ain't nobody got time for that. nobody listening to this Michael Don say that because if somebody is you just offended them Well you offend people all the time anyway so That what I do Alan Super Bowl who going to win All right, Mike, I got the 49ers. The 49ers?

The 49ers, the Cowboys. Oh, you're just like an NFC loyalist guy. The Cowboys, no, no, no. I really, really, the Cowboys fan in me really, really, really does not want to see the Niners win and get that sixth Super Bowl. but I like Shanahan. I like, I think offensively they'll do enough. I think defensive, I think this ought to be a good game.

Who can bet against Richard Sherman? I mean, how about that guy's season? He bet on himself, his contract. I think Richard Sherman is pretty cocky guy, but at least he's backing it up pretty well. I mean, he's definitely, age has definitely caught up to him a little bit. You can see that in some place.

Anyway, I think the Niners will win. And here's my theory. I could be wrong. In times past, we've seen Super Bowls with a prolific offense come in and the better defense, the team with the better defense ended up winning, you know. And so I'm going to stick with the Niners and I'm leaning on their defense. What's the score going to be?

Yeah, that's a little tougher. I say I'm leaning on their defense. And you knew I was going to ask these questions. I bet Jason's ready. Okay, okay, okay. I'm going to say 31 – I'm going to say 33-27 49ers.

So they're going to get like four field goals. Something like that. Listen, I think – do we all agree that the Chiefs are going to be playing the best team they've played in the playoffs, okay? Yes, yes. you know i mean they have looked they looked really good against the texans late uh and they looked really good against the titans late i they they can't play around with the niners like that in my opinion they can't oh okay they're gonna they're gonna have to they better play a full four quarters um that's that's my opinion good analysis jason what do you say well i'm always ready mike i'm a dispensationalist i never know what news is going to bring about the eminent return of Christ.

Anyway, I am going to change my predictions as I have had them on this podcast up until now. And I'm going to go with the 49ers over the Chiefs. I really think the Chiefs are a good team. As I said, it's it really feels like we've got the two best teams in the league in this game. But what it comes down to for me is the 49ers have a good offense and a good defense. and the Chiefs have a good offense, no doubt, but a mediocre defense.

It's not a bad defense, but it's not good. And I think the Niners are going to do enough to, you know, kind of cause some havoc on the offensive side of the ball. And I think that they have enough to slow down Mahomes. They're not going to shut them out. They're not going to embarrass them. They're not going to run them off the field, but they're going to keep them from scoring 35 points and instead force them to score 24 something like that so i i think that the niners are the better team just because they're more well-rounded and i'm with them as as much as i i the stealer fan do not want the 49ers to get their sixth and i think this is the only thing that the cowboys and stealer fans ever agree on But, yeah, we don't want them to get their six, but I just – I don't see how they don't.

And so I'm going to go with the 49ers, and my score is going to be 34 to 24. Okay, well, I guess it's time for my prediction, which, historically speaking, has been the only correct one on the show. Michael, the Bengals cannot win this game, okay? The Bengals will never win this game. That's true. So let me ask you a question, Alan.

How many 49ers does it take to win the Super Bowl? I feel a dad joke coming on. The answer is nobody knows, and we're not about to find out. The 49ers, I hesitate to use the word great. They're a really good team, and you could even call them a great team. And they have everything going for them.

But this is Mahomes' year, and there's nothing that's going to stop him. Andy Reid can't screw it up. The Chiefs' defense can't play mediocrely enough to screw it up. Patrick Mahomes is going to put his team on his back in one way or another, find a way to win this game. If you're really trying to get specific, it's going to be 36-27. But, yeah, the Chiefs have it this year, and the 49ers, they're going to look good still. people are going to think, oh, they could have beat them if they played, you know, a three-game tournament or something like that.

Or if Garoppolo didn't drop that thing or whatever, yeah. Yeah, I don't, I just don't think that this is the year that the 49ers are going to be able to beat the Chiefs. I think everything you guys said was right. I can't argue about the fact that the 49ers defense is the kind of defense that historically I've always looked at and thought, But, oh, wow, that team will win a championship.

But I don't think the Chiefs' defense is that bad. I think they've had a couple of bad moments, but I think they'll rise to the occasion in this game. All right, now we're going to go over to Justin Bullington. Justin, welcome back to the roundtable. Michael, good to see you. I mean, hear you.

I'm on the phone, so I'm hearing you. Yeah, soon enough we'll be able to see each other. Do you hear my kids screaming? Nick, is he screaming? No, Nick's not. That's Nick.

Nick's here too. He's screaming now. No, the little guys are screaming, but I'm sure my mic picked it up, even if you didn't hear it. That is so awesome. Yeah. Well, hey, what's going to happen in the game with the 49ers? and the Chiefs.

Oh, man. Mike, let me tell you that it is going to be a great game. It's going to be nothing like last year. The Rams and the Patriots team was a snoozer. We were all bored. And no one really cared because we were tired of the Patriots.

Now we've got some new blood in there. So let me tell you what's going to happen, Mike and Nick. Nick, are you still screaming back there? No, I'm not screaming anymore. I'm just listening. And remember, remember, Alan and Jason and Tim are here, too.

Oh, yeah. I love those guys. Yeah. Once we once we. I love you guys. Yeah.

Once we splice this in, it'll sound like we're all together. Oh, this is lovely. Well, I'm just glad Nick's here because, yeah, it's cool. It's cool to hear his voice. So this is what's going to happen, Michael and Alan and the rest of the boys. the the game is going to be a little bit more there's going to be more scoring involved the battle is going to be won in the trenches I don't think the Chiefs are going to be able to I don't think their offensive line is going to be able to compete with the 49ers defensive line and I think Pat Mahomes is going to have to make some incredible plays to win this thing I'm not saying it's impossible but especially with Pat Mahomes' track record, but I'm saying it's going to be much more difficult for the Chiefs to win this game than the 49ers.

I think the 49ers have a far superior defense, and I think their running game is going to be able to slow the game down and keep the ball out of Pat Mahomes' hands. I know that's what we said against the Titans, but the Niners are not the Titans. They are much, much better. So, overall, my prediction is that we're going to have a 24-21 game. The 49ers are going to win this game.

And the running back, Mostert, who, believe it or not, happened to be a Chicago Bear at one point in time, he is going to end up being the MVP. And we are all going to be sort of sad because I do not like the 49ers. And, I mean, who does, really? uh satan satan likes that you know he's a packers and 49ers i don't even know who he rooted for last week well how about you nick what do you think is going to happen in super bowl so i think it's going to be a really good game i think it'll be a lot of fun to watch and i think it's going to come down to quarterback play in the end i think that the 49ers defense is really good and i think they're going to do a really good job at containing all the weapons that kansas city has and so i I think that Kansas City is probably going to be the best offense the 49ers will have faced all year, including the Ravens.

I think that the Chiefs have so many skilled players that they can utilize. And then the 49ers offense, like, they ran all over Green Bay. And, like, Green Bay doesn't have a good defense. The Chiefs have a decent defense. So I don't think they'll be able to run as much. But I think then Jimmy Garoppolo will get more into the game.

So I think it's going to come down to quarterback play. But in the end, I think Patrick Mahomes is going to just win it for the Chiefs and he'll win Super Bowl MVP. And I think the final score, give me 31-27, Chiefs win. Wow. All right, so I don't think it's a big secret that we're recording this separately, but your prediction was almost identical to mine, which is really kind of funny.

Seriously? Of course, I taught you football, so it makes sense you think like me a little bit. Great googly moogly. the chef who are the chefs yeah yeah i i made a reference to more cowbell tonight with uh with someone that had never even heard of that meme reference oh my goodness yeah so that we're getting into a new a new age group of people mike i can't i can't argue with your or you or tim picking the chiefs i just i can't argue with it because it wouldn't surprise me at all if my homes went in there and just put on a show.

You know, that, that offense really is that good. And if there is an offense that can break the code of the 49er defense, I really think it is the chiefs. So it wouldn't shock me if, if you guys were right. I, I, I am not, if I was a betting man and I'm not, and I maybe that's a good segue here, but I would not be putting money on this game at all because I have no idea really what's going to happen.

I just think the 49ers are a bit better. That's. I'll be really surprised you get Shanahan two weeks a full season of video I'll be really surprised if they don't have something prepared I'm not saying they'll shut down the Chiefs but you can't prepare for the stuff that this guy does yeah it's true that's the whole thing about Patrick Mahomes and like I'm I've never been a Mahomes fan and this guy is just like right now he's unstoppable will he do this for 10 years I don't know about if he'll be winning six Super Bowls and things like that, but right now there's just nothing you can do.

Yeah, he's good. The NFC is just a weaker conference anyway, Alan, and you know that. Well, guys, I think the fact that we're having these kinds of discussions about this game indicates that it's a pretty good game. They really did find two really good teams that go against each other here. Yeah, it should be really exciting. And Jason mentioned a segue, you know, I've made probably more jokes than anybody about betting the over and the under and picking teams against the spread.

And I'm in no way advocating that I think people listening to this podcast should be actually betting on sports or in general, you know, betting at all. I think the Bible has some wisdom about that. about that. So do not actually bet your house based on my predictions, no matter how accurate they've been. I will, I will share this, that my, my family, we usually print a bracket and everybody in my family picks the games in the bracket And and I was kind of proud of myself I picked different teams than I did on our show but I picked the chiefs and the 49ers and the Titans to be in the final four.

And then I picked the chiefs over the 49ers in the Superbowl with Mahomes as the MVP and a 63 point total. So I'm still in the running to dominate my family's pool, but my three-year-old son, interestingly enough, picked the entire NFC bracket perfectly so far. So he is beating me by five points, but he needs the 49ers to win this game to have any chance of beating his dad in that contest.

So with the segue, I wanted to give other guys just a chance. I don't think we want to go into a long discussion. Maybe we'll do another episode about gambling and Christians and what that means, but if anybody has any general things they wanted to share, now's your chance. Yeah, I would not encourage people to do it, especially money that you know you'll miss.

I think there's probably some room for disagreement if we're talking just nominal sums of money, you know, $5 to do a bracket or, you know, fantasy leagues and stuff. I think that there's all kinds of people who could peacefully, you know, agree to disagree on those issues. But if we're talking, you know, betting $100 on some 14 parlay, that's never going to, you're never going to win. that's not advisable especially if you've got a family to support and if you don't have that money to just lose then it's really not advisable the potential to sear your conscience for other things in the future is just way too risky I'm pretty bad at this don't bet.

Don't bet on sports. Don't bet. Don't buy lottery tickets or sports or bet on sports or gamble in general. I'm pretty sure it's in my church covenant. Yeah, I appreciate that. Well, let's move to the next segment.

I want to know what is your favorite or just any memorable Super Bowl memory from a Super Bowl that you remember watching. So we'll start with Jason Mariana. Oh man, well I'm blessed enough to have seen my team in three Super Bowls. So obviously the two that they won and even the one they lost were pretty memorable for me. I still remember where I was and what I was doing whenever I knew they were going to win, you know, in Antonio Holmes caught that pass in the corner in the end zone on 34 seconds left or whatever it was.

And I remember where I was sitting in my mom's living room and what I said to my brother and you know, that stuff. So that was, that was fun. But for me growing up and it's, it's sad because I had to watch the Cowboys won a bunch, but growing up, like, you know, football is a big deal in my house. I mean, we went to church, we came home, we watched football, we went to bed.

And so when Superbowl Sunday came around, it was a huge deal. My mom would put out the rest of the Christmas cookies we'd make you know snack trays we'd get you know sauerkraut and hot dogs or pizza or something you know have a special meal we'd have this whole like spread thing we'd have people over the house and it was great so I have all these great memories of watching boring Super Bowls with the Cowboys winning and uh eating too much food and having a good time with my family so yeah that's kind of kind of what an actual like in-game moment I'll I'll give you one but But those two things were the first thing that popped into my head. Allen?

Yeah, I've got a couple. I've got some fun memories. Honorable mention to the time the Seahawks threw the interception not long ago. But the two I thought of immediately were I was nine years old the last time the Cowboys won a Super Bowl. But I remember them playing the Pittsburgh Steelers. and winning. Neil O'Donnell.

I remember the Steelers, like I said, I was nine. I remember the Steelers going for an onside kick late, and they didn't get it. And then I guess the other one that just immediately popped to my mind was I really was pulling for the Titans when the Rams and the Titans were playing. And, man, that was a phenomenal ending when, who was it, Dyson? McNair to Dyson. and he got tackled, what, like at the two or something like that?

Yeah, it was about the one-foot line by the time he got tackled. Yeah, he reached out and that was a pretty sweet – I think that's how we would want every Super Bowl to end, either him scoring or him not scoring. You want it to be – I mean, that was like 10 seconds left. In my opinion, you kind of want every Super Bowl to end, finish in that way because you want to just enjoy the whole game. unless your team's playing, then you want them to just run away with it.

Yeah, then it's fun in the fourth quarter. Yeah, Alan, that Super Bowl 30, I actually blocked that out of my memory. So, yeah, I've seen my team play four Super Bowls and lose two of them. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, you said three. I was like, wait a second.

Yeah, I completely forgot Super Bowl 30. It happened when I was a kid. I was thinking of the three I've seen as an adult. But anyway, it's Tim's turn. I don't have that privilege. yeah do you think Michael and I feel as Browns fans I got a couple I thinking of one was when the browns had no team i picked up the packers as my new favorite team and then desmond howard was my favorite player from when i was a kid and he won the mvp the super bowl that brett farve won with the packers so that was pretty cool for me to see that and then uh Anytime the Patriots lost the Super Bowl, especially that 18-0 team, that ended up being 18-1, that was fun.

But maybe, I was also a Peyton Manning fan, greatest quarterback of all time. And seeing him, I think, win that last Super Bowl with the Broncos was pretty fun, even though it really, they would have won that no matter who the quarterback was. but it kind of made up for all the times that his Colts teams would give up 45 points every playoff game. So that was fun to kind of see him win a Super Bowl, and then the Broncos were roughing up Cam Newton, who was not always the most likable quarterback in the league.

So that was a fun Super Bowl. I'm thinking about moments that I remember and I know I asked for one but but I've thought of three but I'll be brief I remember watching Tom Brady with with like no time left on the clock drive down the field to beat the Rams in his first Super Bowl before like everyone hated him and all that kind of stuff and and just being kind of like really excited like this was a new way to play football that type of aggression at the end of a game uh it didn't seem like teams normally took that risk on the own side of the field uh with with so little time left and to see them come out on top was was pretty interesting especially because the rams were just they were the unbeatable team at the time. And then, and then I remember the moment when David Tyree caught the ball on his helmet on like fourth down when the, when Eli Manning beat the Patriots for the first time in the Superbowl.

And I remember that because it was the first Superbowl that my son Nicholas watched with me. And to this day, he still insists that he like remembers that Superbowl. He was asleep by halftime. In his memory, though, it was there. It's kind of funny. But I remember that being kind of exciting.

And I was just sitting there with my mom while my kids were asleep and watching that replay and just wondering what they were going to do with that replay. But the other one is the San Antonio Holmes catch in the end zone. And part of the reason is I haven't watched the last Super Bowls in the last 20 years. So I've missed a few of them because I've been at them traveling or preaching, but I was on the phone with my, I guess she was my girlfriend.

No, I was on the phone with my fiance, who's now my wife, and we were engaged, and we were on the phone, like watching the Super Bowl together, and so she was at her house, I was at my house, and we were watching the Super Bowl together, and just talking on the phone, and when it all happened, It was just really exciting. And I think we were both – I don't know. I'm sure I was pulling for the Steelers because I usually would root for the AFC team unless it was the Ravens.

And Santonio Holmes, of course, we always liked him because he was a Buckeye. But that's a memory of mine because of who I shared it with. And it was an exciting, memorable moment of a Super Bowl for sure. That play a few plays before that with Larry Fitzgerald catching that slant that slant and then he just ran it in the end zone. That should have been my answer, but then San Antonio Holmes had to bail Roethlisberger out.

And again, wide receivers have this whole career where he just runs around and chucks up some ball and then his wide receivers make incredible catches. Yeah, sure, Tim. We'll go with that. And win Super Bowls. yeah i i hear a pinch of jealousy in there but oh there's a lot of jealousy yeah so well did anybody watch the pro bowl or at least pay attention to when they described the proposed rule changes i had no idea they even proposed rule changes mike so why don't you enlighten us so one of the rule changes that they are looking into this has been proposed before is because onside kicks are so like terribly unsuccessful um one of the ideas they have to give teams that are losing a chance to get the ball back is and they were going to test it in the pro bowl is that you can elect instead of kicking off to actually get the ball fourth and 15 on your own 25.

And so you basically get one play, you can get 15 yards, I guess there's about a 7% conversion rate on that right now. But that's probably because very few teams ever try it. You don't train for that a whole lot. So what do you guys think about if the NFL would allow that to happen? So your team's up by 10 points, the other team scores, and now the other team is supposed to kick off and you've got a chance to really just, you know, recover this ball.

And instead they get the ball fourth and 15 with, you know, one chance to, you know, just throw up a ball and hope for a pass interference, right? Like, so what do you guys think of that? Go ahead. Start with Alan. I think it's a horrible idea. You're just trying to ruin the game.

You got 60 minutes to play the game, okay? So why don you score or win in those 60 minutes instead of waiting till the last two minutes and then trying to play well I don like it for a number of reasons One go get the ball I mean, that's onside kick. It's part of the game. The other reason I don't like it is because of what you just hinted at and what Jason has been talking about recently on Twitter.

That is, let me just Patrick Mahomes throw it up and get the – Are you talking about Trump? Donald Trump? No, no, no. The impeachment? Are we talking about the impeachment here? Ted Cruz?

Jason talks about a lot of things on Twitter. Okay, okay. This guy's on CNN. Yeah, which thing are you referring to here? Jason's friends on CNN. My friends on CNN.

You're laughing at middle America people. Well, I'm as critical of that as anybody, man. That was pretty terrible stuff. I am referring to where you just throw the ball up and you get a pass interference call. So you're going to give teams fourth and 15. Now they're going to get a pass interference call.

Okay, I'll go for the rule if they get fourth and 15 and you turn off pass interference. You just go back to like that Patriots playoff game where they like assaulted all the Colts receivers. That actually is the reason why we have all these rules now. It's the same rule as on a fake punt. You turn off pass interference. Then I would subscribe to it.

But the way pass interference is called now, no way. No, that's junkie, man. Get that out of here. Well, no, because really, you know, you're taking it from a, what, 10% conversion rate on onside kicks to like a 50% chance of getting a call, right? Yeah. What do you think, Tim?

If you convert the sport down, where do you get the ball? after that. You would be at your own 40 by then, right? Or wherever the play ended. Yeah. So where does it start? The proposal was like first and 15 from your own 25.

I thought you were saying fourth and 15. It's fourth and 15. Okay. I thought it was from their 25. I was like, well, you might as well go for that every time. Yeah, that was it.

Sure. Okay. okay that makes sense um this exposes that we all didn't watch the pro bowl oh for sure that's that's unfortunate they actually try this in the pro bowl yeah this was one of the rules that they allowed there were some there was about three or four rules that that they allow them to practice in the pro bowl uh like different false start ways receivers can reset um if they false start there were some different rules that they're supposed to try and and like all this all this be honest, I found better things to do Sunday than watch the Pro Bowl as well. They've begun over-officiating it too.

Now it's like anytime there's an attempt, there's a penalty on the kicking team. I forget which rules they changed exactly, but I know they made it even more difficult to recover onside kicks. Unless you're the Falcons kicker. Tim, the NFL over-officiating? No. Yeah, I know.

It's hard to believe, but you look close, you can see it. Yeah, so what I think is strange is that I don't understand why more teams don't try to just have their kicker just loft the ball real high in the air and give their guys time to kind of run under it and either catch it themselves or really blow up the dude that's going to catch it. I don't understand why.

What's that? He can fair catch it. yeah you can yeah you can i think a it's hard to loft a ball off of a tee mike i've seen it done though yeah i mean i'm not saying i'm not saying i'm not saying i'm not saying it can't be done but the the risk reward is if you screw that up you're gonna end up squibbing it or you know kick it off the side of your foot or something like that so they usually just tell the guys hit it square and let the chips fall where they may give me 550 $50,000 a year and I'll do it right every time. I'll tell you that.

I'll do it for half. I'll do it for half that. Oh, that's like the league minimum. You can't do it for half. Yeah, but I would, I would with my left foot. You're so humble.

I mean about being able to do it for half, not with your left foot. That was very, when you make the kind of royalties Alan makes from his books, I sent him his royalties today, actually. and then I had to send Michael money back. Yeah. Yeah. I, I collect the payments for Alan's books and, uh, you know, my wife's over there like, Oh, look, we have, we have an extra a hundred dollars here.

I'm like, no, no, that's, that's all Alan's. And then five minutes later, he's like, I think I owe you money for a sweatshirt. So it was, it was a little bit of a, but it was good for accounting purposes to have the in and the out transaction both ways. But so, well, I appreciate you guys coming on here. and I'm going to close things out. Does anybody have any final comments, any advice for anybody, anything at all?

Yeah, I hope Rogers enjoys watching the bowl, Super Bowl. What do you guys recommend everybody eat during the Super Bowl, guys? Yeah, I'm thinking. I'm just, you know, I just like Super Bowl parties, like when people have them. So just whatever people have is fine with me. And usually somebody, usually it's a lot of finger food stuff, like wings and things like that.

Pigs in a blanket. That was the most Michael Coughlin answer ever. I learned something last year is that if you're going to have a Super Bowl party at your house, make sure your wife is among the first people to find out not the last sage advice did you learn this tim huh To learn that. Hold on, Tim. Hold on, Tim. I'm writing this down.

Yeah. I've got other good stuff, too. Wife needs to know first. Okay. That's really good. I'm putting that down.

Yeah. It feels like something my wife would want to know. Fixing the level up. Yeah, we're actually doubling up. We're having Wesley's birthday party Sunday. and so it's it's kind of a a six-year-old birthday slash super bowl party yeah but that that kid loves the nfl oh yeah no it's gonna be it's gonna be great and and you know we'll just we'll just we'll have built-in entertainment i guess for all that and we'll just have to fast forward through drag queen commercials oh my goodness oh my goodness yes yeah i can't i i can't wait for the abomination of desolation also known as the halftime show oh yeah that's like shakira and and uh who's the other one this year j-lo j-lo i sure they be modestly dressed and wait j i thought so yeah is that right she my agent i think i think i switch over to it i think i i think i switch over to impeachment hearings for that Yeah Shakira like 44 years old I mean, I'm shocked.

They don't have anyone in the 18 to 30 range. It's crazy. Was our generation just that great of entertainers? I don't think so. When we were growing up, we had to put up the Rolling Stones every other year. I mean, you know, Michael Jackson or whatever.

So I'm not so sure that that's the case, that we're such great entertainers. What I'm surprised is they didn't get somebody like Billie Eilish or something like that. Steve Camp. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, Pastor SJ Camp. We could have Steve Camp.

We just read his tweets to people at halftime. That's what we'll do. Why don't we do a live Steve Camp halftime show on Things Above Us Roundtable? How about we not do Steve Camp on Things Above Us ever? How about that? no no just just read his tweets i'll try to bring him on and have him and jason just you know calmly talk politics they'll talk trump jason and steve camp we'll talk all right that'll be good